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Post by Ten on Aug 23, 2010 19:16:15 GMT -5
"I was thinking he'd just gradually become more and more insane each day or something."
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What's driving him insane?
That is, there's got to be something causing the dreams,
if they're messing with his head that bad.
"I don't see why any of that's important."
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It's vital. It affects everything in the brothers' history.
"I don't know why they have opinions."
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They disagreed with their parents, you said. Why? Weren't their parents their primary influence? What led them to disagree?
"They were so used to being together, I suppose."
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I'm used to being around my sister. I've come to memorize some of her responses to certain commercials. Being used to being around someone, however, is not a good enough reason by itself to have children with someone.
"They didn't check there"
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Didn't you say they checked everywhere?
"They barged on it while it was eating"
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They didn't see the big rat right in front of them?
"and it thought they were going to steal its food."
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And they didn't back off?
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Post by selm on Aug 23, 2010 19:27:45 GMT -5
What's driving him insane?
That is, there's got to be something causing the dreams,
if they're messing with his head that bad.
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I guess the dreams are just kind of like his subconscious telling him that death is not the only thing that could have happened to their mother. You said only the insane think of escape, and that's what he is/will be thinking of, therefore, he's insane.
It's vital. It affects everything in the brothers' history.
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If you say so.
They disagreed with their parents, you said. Why? Weren't their parents their primary influence? What led them to disagree?
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Other than their friendship with one another, not much. I didn't know parents were such strong influences on their kits. It doesn't quite make sense to me.
I'm used to being around my sister. I've come to memorize some of her responses to certain commercials. Being used to being around someone, however, is not a good enough reason by itself to have children with someone.
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Whitefoot's parents were controlling, like Stormclaw was, and refused to let her near any toms they didn't approve of. That left few cats other than Stormclaw, whom Whitefoot was the most familiar with. Whitefoot would not question her parents on that subject. Why? I don't know, maybe she agreed with them.
Didn't you say they checked everywhere?
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...I did, actually. I'd forgotten about that. Quite an epic fail on my part. I'll add it in that they didn't check the boneyard.
They didn't see the big rat right in front of them?
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Obviously they did. Or not so obviously, apparently.
And they didn't back off?
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Silverwhisker didn't want to lead it back to camp. Stormclaw thought they could take it. He also didn't see much reason to live without Whitefoot, besides seeing Boulderpaw become a warrior and the possibility of him becoming leader of the Clan. He knew that wasn't likely, though.
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Post by Ten on Aug 23, 2010 20:38:46 GMT -5
"I guess the dreams are just kind of like his subconscious telling him that death is not the only thing that could have happened to their mother."
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I thought he already knew that. As in, in his.... normal-level-concious.
"You said only the insane think of escape, and that's what he is/will be thinking of"
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His missing mother drives him crazy?
"I didn't know parents were such strong influences on their kits. It doesn't quite make sense to me."
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They were raised by their parents, right? Their parents taught them everything they knew? That's where they'd get all their first opinions from, no? Opinions and personality don't just poof out of thin air. They're developed from your experiences, and most kits' main early experiences are with their parents.
"Whitefoot's parents were controlling, like Stormclaw was"
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Then that makes sense, but didn't Stormclaw control her?
"Silverwhisker didn't want to lead it back to camp."
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What camp?
"Stormclaw thought they could take it."
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As in hunting it?
Why couldn't they?
"He also didn't see much reason to live without Whitefoot, besides"
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Besides his kits? That's a good reason. Didn't he care about his kits?
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Post by selm on Aug 23, 2010 21:07:51 GMT -5
I thought he already knew that. As in, in his.... normal-level-concious.
Ehh, sort of. It's slightly difficult for me to explain. He knows that it really /is/ a possibility, but he's trying to convince himself it's not... because he doesn't want to seem insane.
His missing mother drives him crazy?
No. Because they couldn't find their mother, dead or alive(and he doesn't want to believe she's dead), it opened up his mind to new possibilities. As in, she could be somewhere not in the enclosure and still alive. Because he refused to believe she's dead.
They were raised by their parents, right? Their parents taught them everything they knew? That's where they'd get all their first opinions from, no? Opinions and personality don't just poof out of thin air. They're developed from your experiences, and most kits' main early experiences are with their parents.
I suppose it's just hard for me to understand/relate to because my parents didn't teach me everything I knew. I wouldn't base my cats off something I didn't understand.
Then that makes sense, but didn't Stormclaw control her?
Could you give me an example of what he'd be trying to control about her?
What camp?
Erm, sorry. The rest of the cats, I mean. He didn't want any cats to be harmed unnecessarily.
As in hunting it?
Why couldn't they?
Its attack patterns were different from other rats. It only attacked Stormclaw unless it was defending itself from Lividwhisker and Boulderpaw's attacks. Lividwhisker hadn't trained as much as Boulderpaw and so wasn't as skilled. Boulderpaw wasn't even supposed to be fighting it in the first place. Stormclaw was wounded very badly before he could deal any serious damage to the rat. The two brothers knew they couldn't take it on their own, so they didn't bother attacking once Stormclaw stopped(because of his injuries). The rat ran away and took its prey with him.
Besides his kits? That's a good reason. Didn't he care about his kits?
He didn't believe Lividwhisker would ever amount to much, honestly. That doesn't mean he didn't care for him at all; but not very much. He did care about Boulderpaw very much, though. However, he'd taught him everything he(Stormclaw) knew. There wasn't anything else he could do for his kits, especially since Whitefoot had raised Lividwhisker so differently.
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Post by riro44 on Aug 24, 2010 9:00:36 GMT -5
"Lighting*, not lightning. SILLY LITTLE RIRO  " -- Wow, I fail. |
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Post by Ten on Aug 25, 2010 16:15:07 GMT -5
"he doesn't want to seem insane."
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If he were delusional, he wouldn't think of his delusions as delusions.
"Because he refused to believe she's dead."
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And refuses to look in the Boneyard.
So what's different about him that puts him in such denial?
"I suppose it's just hard for me to understand/relate to because my parents didn't teach me everything I knew."
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Who did?
"Could you give me an example of what he'd be trying to control about her?"
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You said Whitefoot's parents were controlling, so whatever they did.
"Its attack patterns were different from other rats."
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Rats use attack patterns?
/picturing ninja and power ranger rats
"It only attacked Stormclaw unless it was defending itself from Lividwhisker and Boulderpaw's attacks."
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You make it sound like the rat is the main aggressor. Unless the cats /want/ to engage with it, they'd move away and there'd be no violence.
3 cats vs. 1 rat
Why is the rat not dead at the end?
"Lividwhisker hadn't trained as much as Boulderpaw"
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Had he trained at all?
"Boulderpaw wasn't even supposed to be fighting it in the first place."
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Why's that?
"Stormclaw was wounded very badly before he could deal any serious damage to the rat."
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Why?
"The rat ran away and took its prey with him."
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What prey?
"He didn't believe Lividwhisker would ever amount to much, honestly."
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What better reason to think a son needs protecting?
"He did care about Boulderpaw very much, though. However, he'd taught him everything he(Stormclaw) knew. There wasn't anything else he could do for his kits,"
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He could live out the rest of his life with them. They're his family. Didn't he like to be with them?
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Post by selm on Aug 25, 2010 16:41:40 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, so I'm just going to re-write his entire history and see if that makes anything easier.
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Post by Nefeli on Aug 26, 2010 21:40:14 GMT -5
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Post by selm on Aug 26, 2010 21:58:41 GMT -5
..o____e
/thought she did that.
It's done now. xP
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Post by Draco on Aug 27, 2010 18:18:51 GMT -5
I'm going to leave the appearance part to Ten, and since you're rewriting the history I won't bother you with that. So I'm just going over the views, and I'm not going to be quoting because it would take too long, because I'm on LOTRO.
Anyway, in a way I do agree with Ten. Having two clear defined groups is a bit more realistic in a community, and it would cause a bit more drama. I'd also be willing to say it gives a better look at his personality, morals, ect. What would he do in this position? What would he do in that? Would he jump in to save someone? Does he stay away from other cats? And the list goes on. A Con probably wouldn't save another cat, thinking it's survival of the fittest, while a Clanner would try to save the cat, because they all depend on one another in a clan.
However, I do like his views. It seems like he's still in that position between a kid and an adult, choosing what they are going to believe or do for the rest of his life. In a way I don't agree with Ten, because my parents don't try to influence me to believe what they do. My dad took me to church when I was little, and I never believed in that stuff, so he stopped taking me. I now call myself an atheist, and I'd bet he has some idea I believe that, but he doesn't do anything about it or try to change it. Same with my mom and step-dad -- they sometimes make jokes about how I might turn out to be a republican after all. We do have debates on politics, or at least issues that I care about enough to have an opinion on, and they're republicans, and I don't know what I am, but I apparently have some democratic views, and they don't do anything about it, because it's who I am. A good parent would, yes, give all the information, but they should do so in a way where the kid should be able to choose what they believe is more logical and what they believe in, instead of biasing it so one choice seems better than another. =/
Now I know I probably said a lot of stuff you don't care about for your cat, but I do have some advise. I'd add a bit more to his views, saying exactly /why/ he can't choose. Does he not have enough information? Does he honestly not care what happens, and would stick with whatever group won? Does he favor the idea of being a Con or a Clanner more? Or does he believe there should be some other from of group where there are several leaders, so more than one cat has the power to make choices?
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