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Post by duckyaisha on Mar 14, 2009 12:13:51 GMT -5
"Why is it better to have one cat make decisions than all of them combined? If we all put our heads together, I'm sure we could come up with a better solution than if just one cat did on her own. What is the benefit of having a leader make the decisions? I think all the cats working together would be more capable at decision making than just one cat. Why would a leader make a better decision than, say, two warriors? Or three warriors? Or all the warriors combined? And if the leader makes decisions, then how do the warriors make decisions like you said?"
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Post by Thistle on Mar 14, 2009 21:19:08 GMT -5
"What if some cats wanted to dominate a conversation? Then it would be chaos and fights would break out," piped up Batkit.
"Besides, the leader gets the warriors' opinions to make decisions too!" The tabby glanced at Woodstripe, to see if she approved of his words.
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Post by duckyaisha on Mar 14, 2009 21:50:39 GMT -5
"Every cat would get the chance to speak. After all, it's only fair. If a leader made the decisions, sure she'd listen to /some/ warriors' opinions. But she can't possibly go around and ask every single warrior before she makes a decision. And it isn't fair if some cats contribute and some don't. Besides, even if she has input from the warriors, if she doesn't want it to happen, it isn't going to happen. Even if the warriors get to voice their opinions, the leader would always have the final say, so really she would only accept the ideas she liked, even if the others were better. It doesn't make sense to have that kind of biased attitude when making a decision. Sure, all cats are biased, but if we all decided together, we wouldn't all be biased the same way. We would be forced to compromise, which is better than a leader making a decision because she likes it. Again, even with input, the leader only accepts ideas /she/ likes. None of the other ideas would get through, even if they were better for the Clan," Patchfur meowed. He knew Woodstripe was stuck on her opinion. She wanted to be leader, after all. But Batkit- maybe he could be changed. Maybe he could understand.
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Post by Gosh on Mar 14, 2009 22:29:45 GMT -5
"You say that a leader can't possibly go around and ask every single warrior before she makes a decision. This is true. But what you seem to be suggesting is that every cat votes on every single thing-but then you would just sit around all day and nothing would get done," Spiderpaw meowed confidently.
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Post by duckyaisha on Mar 15, 2009 8:37:08 GMT -5
"No. All you do is gather the warriors together and vote. If some warriors end up unhappy, then we'll compromise. And we wouldn't vote on everything. Things like hunting would be decided by who volunteers or who wants to go. Same with fighting. However, don't you think it's more fair to vote on big decisions than to have them made by a leader?" he asked, hoping Spiderpaw would see sense.
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Post by Ten on Mar 15, 2009 10:34:08 GMT -5
Woodstripe took note of how Patchfur refered to the hypothetical leader as female, but did not comment. Instead, she gave Batkit a nod and a smile. "The leader must always listen to the Clan. I do not see why a leader would not be able to ask the opinion of each warrior, nor do I see why a leader would choose his or her own preferences over that of the majority, for that is how a leader earns impeachment.
"If cats voted on everything, they would spend more time making decisions than following through with action. This is why the cats of a Clan all select a leader with a mindset similar to their own. Speaking of which, I suggest that all of you begin thinking about the variety of cat you would like as your leader.
"Now, I present Patchfur with these two options: be patient and wait for the experiment to resolve his questions, or be content to hear out my ideology without further protest."
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Post by duckyaisha on Mar 15, 2009 12:08:17 GMT -5
"If the leader chooses what the warriors want instead of what she wants, it's just like all the cats voting. The leader's duties are entirely ceremonial and unneeded," he meowed for one last argument. /If I /must/ have a leader, I want a leader that will listen to every single cat, and make sure that the cats compromise. I want every cat to be treated equally by the leader. I want us warriors to be able to decide /some/ things at least./ he thought to himself. He would voice the opinion later. In fact, he had an idea. When the other two cats voted for Woodstripe ( he knew she must've bribed them somehow to secure this position for herself) he would vote for Spiderpaw. That would certainly cause an uproar, and be the first example of how a leader could not compromise.
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Post by Thistle on Mar 17, 2009 2:58:01 GMT -5
Hmm, thought Batkit, who should I vote for? Woodstripe's okay, I guess, but there are more cats that I haven't met yet. As he pondered over the thought, his ears were angled toward Patchfur as the tom spoke.
"-leader's duties are entirely ceremonial and unneeded." That was the only the thing that Batkit was able to hear, but it was enough to know about what Patchfur was talking about.
"Well, maybe," he meowed, shifting from one paw to the other. "But a leader could make the Clan more organized and all. Plus, everyone is sure to get trained, fed, and have a place to sleep 'cause the leader makes sure everyone is happy. And some cats might not want to mentor their own kits and so the kits wouldn't get trained since no one would really care, and there is no leader to find a mentor."
There was a slightly wistful note to his voice, as if he wished there was really a Clan right now and he could finish his training and maybe be able to reunite with his sister again.
Once there's a Clan, thought the dark tabby, I'll find you, Branchkit.
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Post by duckyaisha on Mar 17, 2009 5:45:05 GMT -5
"How would a leader make a Clan more organized? They would just listen to the warriors. And besides, everyone gets what they need even without a leader. A Clan can survive without one. I actually don't think leaders should decide mentors, because they don't know the kit very well and they might put them with the wrong warrior. If parents don't want to mentor their kit, they can choose who does. They know the kit better."
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Post by Thistle on Mar 19, 2009 2:13:50 GMT -5
"But what if they just dump the kit and don't take care of it?" asked the tom. He had had experience with cats like that; once he had passed by a small area where a tiny kit was wailing its head off.
He thought of Smallbreeze and Dingypelt, his parents, feeling glad that they took care of them well, even though his father had died before he could really know him better.
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