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Post by The Hobbit on Nov 28, 2010 22:07:21 GMT -5
Meh, that is part of it, somewhat. She didn't love them because of how they were conceived and because she didn't want kits. Being a mother was not for her at that point and she found it difficult to love something she never desired, something that kept her tied to a monster.
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Post by Ten on Nov 28, 2010 22:12:25 GMT -5
Why didn't she give them up to another queen if she was so sure she didn't want them?
And what does never having desired them have to do with it? There are things I may never have thought to ask for, but if given them, would want to keep, you know?
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Post by The Hobbit on Nov 28, 2010 22:31:54 GMT -5
With children, the same could be said for human mothers. But I know someone whose mom didn't want her, still doesn't, and any contact they have ends in the two screaming at each other. It is possible that said mom loves her daughter, but I doubt it.
And, as for other queens, Silverheart wasn't too social. Nor would Redclaw have allowed it, and I would imagine she would be fearful of any physical harm.
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Post by Ten on Nov 28, 2010 22:35:43 GMT -5
"With children, the same could be said for human mothers. But I know someone whose mom didn't want her, still doesn't, and any contact they have ends in the two screaming at each other. It is possible that said mom loves her daughter, but I doubt it."
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hm. I wonder what circumstances caused that.
I'm thinking, though, with her being anti-social and oppressed, she'd be seeking to bond with someone, and caring for adorable kittens could be a good way to form the relationships she's missing.
"Nor would Redclaw have allowed it,"
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He wouldn't have allowed her to give the kits to a responsible and loving con?
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Post by The Hobbit on Nov 28, 2010 22:40:03 GMT -5
hm. I wonder what circumstances caused that.
I'm thinking, though, with her being anti-social and oppressed, she'd be seeking to bond with someone, and caring for adorable kittens could be a good way to form the relationships she's missing.
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Mother has issues.
True, it would be, but they would also be like Redclaw. I imagine Copperkit would have been the worst, because Copperkit also resembled the tom.
He wouldn't have allowed her to give the kits to a responsible and loving con?
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No, he would not have. He picked Silverheart. Not some other queen.
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Post by Ten on Nov 28, 2010 22:48:26 GMT -5
"Mother has issues."
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That much is obvious.
"True, it would be, but they would also be like Redclaw."
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Only as much as he raised them. Sounds like she had most of the influence at the beginning.
"He picked Silverheart. Not some other queen."
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I thought he just grabbed her body. Now she has some special qualifications?
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Post by The Hobbit on Nov 29, 2010 7:51:52 GMT -5
Only as much as he raised them. Sounds like she had most of the influence at the beginning.
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Sure, she had them, but what could she do if they couldn't hear or see her? As soon as they could, Redclaw would be influencing their thoughts and opinions.
I thought he just grabbed her body. Now she has some special qualifications?
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She wasn't exactly ugly in his mind, but otherwise, it was simply because he picked her. It was a matter of control.
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Post by Ten on Nov 29, 2010 19:45:11 GMT -5
"Sure, she had them, but what could she do if they couldn't hear or see her? As soon as they could, Redclaw would be influencing their thoughts and opinions."
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Really? I thought he did nothing more than check on them, before one of them died. Is this changing, or did that one kit die at a younger age than I had supposed?
"She wasn't exactly ugly in his mind, but otherwise, it was simply because he picked her. It was a matter of control."
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And nothing but that?
mmkay.
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Post by The Hobbit on Nov 29, 2010 21:43:05 GMT -5
Really? I thought he did nothing more than check on them, before one of them died. Is this changing, or did that one kit die at a younger age than I had supposed?
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Mothers start to wean kits around four weeks of age; they were completely weaned, so they would be around six to seven weeks. By the end of the second week, they can begin to hear. So, what, she would have had four weeks or so to try to do anything. Even if she did, four weeks wouldn’t be enough to really stick with them, compared to the time Redclaw had. And, yes, he did check in on them, but that doesn’t mean that, when they were capable of hearing, he didn’t mention a few things.
And nothing but that?
mmkay.
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Who says things have to have numerous, complicated reasons all the time? Reasons can be fairly simple, but go deep.
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Post by Ten on Dec 3, 2010 23:09:34 GMT -5
"Who says things have to have numerous, complicated reasons all the time?"
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Well since you asked... there's probably someone, but I don't know the name.
"So, what, she would have had four weeks or so to try to do anything."
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hm. That'd be about the same as a five-month-old baby.
You're right. Not much she could do there, in terms of this.
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